Random thoughts on anti-American sentiments in Norway/Europe

I think it is only natural that the anti-American feels grow as more and more people oppose the war. The media is making more of the situation than it really is though. Controversy sells, reasoned logic doesn't.
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Venner av Amerika (Norwegian Fiends of America) was started as an ad-hoc campaign against increasing anti-American sentiments in the Norwegian public debate. We wish to support the good bi-lateral relationship between Norway and the USA by highlighting the political and historical kinship between our two nations.

I think it is only natural that the anti-American feels grow as more and more people oppose the war. The media is making more of the situation than it really is though. Controversy sells, reasoned logic doesn't.

Personally I think the US misjudged the feelings other people had against Iraq. They came out hard against the Iraqi regime and almost from day one were making statements about Saddam having to be replaced by something else. The UN has never passed a resolution that Saddam has to be removed from power. He has to disarm which is a very different issue. For there to be a successful disarmament of Iraq there has to be the threat of war. Economic sanctions don't harm the regime as much as it harms the people of Iraq, so we need the thread of military action. However, there is a difference between the treat and the promise of war.

Saddam had been mostly quiet in his part of the world for the last decade. There have been incidents but nothing that represented a major thread. Then the US brings back the disarmament process, which is a good thing. I'm all for it. What I am against is the threat of war being so great that Saddam doesn't believe he will survive even if he does comply with UN resolutions. Most of Europe, and the rest of the world for that matter, are convinced that the US wants a war no matter what. Even if Iraq does a 180 and complies fully the US will want to have its war is the popular belief. From the speeches coming from the US government it is very hard to see a way out without a war. Europeans fear that pressing too much may cause the weapons Saddam possesses come into use, because not many people believe has no weapons either. We just don’t know what he has, and so far the proof presented hasn’t been believable.

We just don’t agree with the way the US is handling the issue.

The US ignored this fact for a long time, until it boiled over. It is not that we don't like Americans, we just do not agree with pushing the war to the point of no return so quickly. To us it seems the threat is getting us somewhere, inspections are making progress. Why then force Saddam into a situation where he has no choice but to use them? Does he seem like the person who would just roll over and play dead because we have him in a corner? I'm more convinced that he will retaliate with whatever he has, which may not be much or it may be something. Something tells me it won't be long till we find out.

Another issue I feel the US has quietly brushed over is what will do if/when Saddam is removed from power. It’s not like you have that many candidates to replace him with. The whole area is in a very delicate situation. One wrong move and the whole thing blows up. It is not the place to shot first and ask questions later. So we need a plan on how to deal with the situation after a war, and to do this we need the Arab world. The US has been alienating most of the Arab nations for a long time.

Eventually European politicians relying on votes could no long ignore the anti-war movement, as the US pushed for more the citizens around the world started to doubt the real intentions of the Bush government. In everything there is a balance. Since the Americans have gone really far to being pro war, someone had to provide the anti war argument. This I feel is a reason why France and Germany are so opposed to a war. Had the US pushed the war less, and emphasized the inspections until most of the world was convinced Saddam would not comply the anti war movement would have been proportionally less strong. How France and Germany will act when it is time to finally decide I’m not sure. Some think their opposition is just for show and that at the end of the day they may follow suit, others think they have gone so far into the anti war rhetoric that they, like the Americans, can’t back down without loosing face.

My fear is that even if a war in Iraq is a success and there are no immediate negative after effects that the way it all happened will cause there to be a greater risk of terrorism. Many nations around the world are feeling ignored by the US, and if the UN does not back the war it will be even worse. This may, will, cause more people to hate so much that they perpetrate horrible actions in the name of some silly cause. Handling the Iraq issue in this way does not strike me as the best way to make the world a safer place. There are so many more immediate threats that are not being handled already, so why go looking for more?

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Hello Friend

I agree that the plan for what to do after the war was not clearly explained to the American people, nor to the rest of the world. Security forces were needed to be fully trained and ready to be deployed to relieve troops. These security forces should have come from the United Nations, but they did not want to give their support to the war in Iraq. The UN representatives from the different countries undoubtedly have a responsibility to represent their respective constituencies, but the long run in terms of what is best for the Middle East should have prevailed with the UN knowing the US would pursue the war and knowing that Iraq would still need assistance and security afterwards. However, they threw aside whatever concerns they had about Iraq and decided they would face off against the Americans instead despite the fact that it is the Iraqi people who are suffering the most from this "disagreement." In addition, I don't understand why torture, human rights abuses, illegal pipelines in defiance of UN sanctions, and extreme dictatorship were not good reasons for liberating Iraq - why did there have to be WMDs? Why wasn't the Iraqi people suffering a good enough reason for Europeans? That to me demonstrates that it was more an opportunity to disagree with the US after an examination of the economic limitations rather than a disagreement with the issue of war to liberate Iraqi people. The antiwar activists didn't seem to have a moral problem with the torture, rape, and murder of Iraqi people by Saddam's regime - is that a moral stand? Again the evidence of hypocrisy and lack of concern for others seems to indicate that the whole antiwar movement was really just an opportunity to demonize the US, to try to break the US, to try to hurt the US. Even now after all of the evidence of torture, rape, and murder of innocent Iraqi civilians by Saddam's regime, the antiwar movement refuses to acknowledge the fact that those people were suffering terribly under a religious dictatorship and deserved to be liberated from it. To pretend that Saddam's crimes against humanity do not justify overthrowing a dictatorship is ridiculous - how would any dictator be stopped if the UN decided it was in their best interests to look the other way? I understand that they don't believe the "evidence" presented about WMDs, but what about the other issues???????

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I'd just like to say not all Americans here agree with what our governemnt has been doing. Some of us are very against many of the things that have gone on the past few years, not only the war in Iraq, but the DMCA and Sen. Hollings, the RIAA and the MPAA, gay marriage rights, etc. And it is often difficult to say these things because the "patriots" will label those who complain or disagree as "anti-American".

Peace with all nations, and the right which that gives us with respect to all nations, are our object.--Thomas Jefferson

I often think many Americans forgot what our founding fathers had in mind.

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